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USF should add Buffalo any day now

Posted Jun 6, 2008 by Brett McMurphy

Updated Jun 6, 2008 at 06:05 PM

Back in September of 2006, I asked the following question in my blog: “Should USF play home-and-home series with Buffalo, Western Kentucky and Ball State?”

That blog post - here’s the link - which included a copy of USF’s proposed future schedules generated a wide range of opinions. Now two years later, USF has signed home and home dates with two of the three powerhouses so I guess Buffalo should be added to the schedule any day now.

As I stated back in 2006, I understand Leavitt’s scheduling philosophy (and although USF provides a Woolard quote on its scheduling releases, make no mistake: Leavitt OKs the opponents) for the five nonconference games: 1 home and 1 away vs. BCS teams, 1 Division I-AA home game and 2 non-BCS teams.

As I wrote previously: “USF has done a great job scheduling home-and-home series with UNC, N.C. State, Indiana, Michigan State, Kansas and Miami. I also really do understand USF playing a Division I-AA home game every year. It’s a very real necessity to help guarantee a six-win season and bowl berth.

“However, it doesn’t make sense to schedule home-and-homes with Mid-American and Sun Belt teams when UCF appears the more attractive matchup for the fans and players - and, more importantly, from a budget standpoint.”

This isn’t meant to turn into another UCF scheduling topic, but with the series ending this year, what is the benefit of playing a home-and-home with Western Kentucky instead of UCF? You can’t use the “we have never lost to UCF so there’s no reason to play them anymore” argument because USF should never ever lose to the likes of the Western Kentuckys and Ball States.

At least a UCF home game will draw about 60,000. Heck, you’ll barely get that many fans for both home games combined against Western Kentucky and Ball State. If you’re going to play two non-BCS teams every year, UCF would seem a likely choice for one of those spots.

Think how far USF’s program has evolved since 2006 and USF can’t get a 2-for-1 deal with a Western Kentucky team that will be playing its first-year in Division I-A?

So I guess we’ll pick up from our discussion from September 2006. “Should USF play home-and-home series with Buffalo, Western Kentucky and Ball State?”

Fire away.

Also, here is USF’s future non-conference schedules:

2009
Sept. 5 Wofford
Sept. 12 at Western Kentucky
Sept. 19 Florida International
Sept. 26 Miami
Oct. 10 at Indiana

2010
Sept. 4 Samford
Sept. 11 at Florida
Sept. 25 Western Kentucky
Oct. 2 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 27 at Miami

2011
Sept. 10 Ball State
Oct. 1 at Notre Dame
Nov. 26 Miami

2012
Sept. 8 Michigan State
Sept. 22 at Ball State
Nov. 24 at Miami

2013
Sept. 7 at Michigan State
Sept. 14 Florida Atlantic
Nov. 30 Miami

2014
Sept. 13 N.C. State

2015
TBA at Florida

Reader Comments

Por (Ryan Barket) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Why did you delete the comments on here?  There was nothing against the terms and conditions.  I find it ironic that the very people that should be supporting freedom of information are doing their job to hide the truth when it doesn’t fit with their beliefs.  No wonder you work for a new organization that is a very distant second to the St. Pete Times.

You disgust me.

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Por (Brett McMurphy) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Ryan, I don’t delete comments and I couldn’t delete comments if I wanted. I don’t have the “clearance” to access where the comments are sent. So I have no idea what comments you sent that were deleted.

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Por (Ryan Barket) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Ok then, I retract my accusation and insult.  It’s just that there were 2 comments on here, one by posted by me, that were both questioning USF’s decision to schedule a one for one with Sun Belt member WKU.

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Por (Brett McMurphy) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Ryan, I checked with our TBO editors and your comments were not deleted. If you will look at the blog post below this one titled: “USF adds series with Western Kentucky” you will see your original comments that you made. This post is a different blog post, that’s why your comments aren’t included on this post. Thanks for the comments and sorry I disgust you.

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Por (Ryan Barket) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Ah, I think the mistake was on the automatic email that is sent out when a reply is received.  I got one of those emails and clicked on the link (which said would take me to the post that I commented on), and it took me to this post instead, which had no comments.  So I mistakenly assumed they were gone.  Egg on my face, you are no longer disgusted.  Now that I have actually read this article, I am glad to see you take a harsh stance against this decision by the Bull’s athletics director.  This is not a step that should be taken to build USF into a national power.

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Por (Dave Weber) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Hey Brett, do you think that the WKU games could be an expression of kindness by us? I ask because it wasn’t too long ago that we were making the same transition they are. We get to be nice, and in return, we get two wins. (I really don’t think we’re trying to be nice, but that’s the only justification I can think of- neither Ball St. nor WKU offer anything to us other than wins. We don’t even recruit those states!)

I don’t like the WKU game; it’s better than Ball St. in the sense that WKU plays other Florida teams, so they provide a measuring stick for FIU and FAU, but since we don’t recruit in Kentucky and the game will draw 25,000 max, the profit won’t be found, either. That game will cost more to get to than what we get back.

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Por (St. Pete Guy) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

USF doesn’t need to schedule UCF…they will be on our schedule every year soon as a conf game…trust me.

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Por (Brett McMurphy) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Dave, re: “expression of kindness?” I guess USF could spin it that way, but they scheduled WKU for two reasons: a win in 2009 and a win in 2010. If it was “kindness” why not do a 2-for-1 and pay WKU a few hundred thousand dollars for the second trip to Tampa? That would be really kind on USF’s part and would help an up-and-coming I-A program. As far as home-and-homes with Ball State, Buffalo, FAU, FIU, WKU, etc.; there’s no comparison that UCF is the better draw than any MAC or Sun Belt fodder. And for St. Pete Guy, I’d LOVE to hear your definition of “soon” as far as UCF being in same conference. I’m sure it’s not the same definition that I have.

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Por (Chuck Gerhart) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

The UCF thing has been done (to death).  Next…

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Por (James) on June 06, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Does anyone know why USF couldn’t get 2-1’s with WKU/Ball State when they could get them with FIU/FAU.  FIU and FAU have been 1-A longer than WKU and they did 2-1s, this doesn’t make sense.  USF should insist on 2-1s with new 1-A teams.

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Por (Chris) on June 07, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I think Brett hit it on the head with his comment about paying for a 2 for 1.  With a home and home you get almost an even swap, with a little cash going to the underdog, but if we signed the 2fer we would have to pony up a more substantial payday for WKU for a game that isn’t exactly going to draw massive revinue.

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Por (GB) on June 07, 2008 (Suggest removal)

The problem was needing some very specific dates within the next two years.  The vast majority of teams have had their 2009 schedules done for a while.

We absolutely needed a game next year on Sept. 12, and given the schedule for 2010 (at UF, at UM) we absolutely needed a September home game in 2010.

How many teams could satisfy those constraints.  Only a handful, I’m sure, and they all knew the tough spot Woolard was in, hence the 1-1.

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Por (chris harmon) on June 07, 2008 (Suggest removal)

way overly sarcastic, in my opinion, brett

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Por (Marshall) on June 08, 2008 (Suggest removal)

First off, Ryan B is a #####. Throwing insults based on your own error will gives you that title. I am not happy with the 1-1 game with WKU and I understand the argument that can be made about playing UCF yearly. There is more to lose by playing UCF yearly than just revenue though. If somethign crazy were to happen and we lost to UCF, more than just revenue and attendance would be at stake.

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Por (Marshall) on June 08, 2008 (Suggest removal)

The word blocked was J#ckoff

I would think that the 1-1 game was scheduled based on the timeline that USF was dealing with and availibility of opposing teams schedules. None the less, that just means we were not well prepared. I have no reason to believe that JL will make the best decisions to take USF to the top based on the current progression. But….there may be concerns with strengh of schedule with powerhouses such as WKU and Ball State.

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Por (Thomas Kenyon) on June 08, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Brett,  I think GB addresses the specific reasons for the WKU series.  Far more indicative of the position USF finds themselves in as far as filling out a schedule will be with the 2011 & 2012 seasons.

-Have they learned (JL & DW are still new at BCS football) not to wait too long?
-Can they still get 2-1’s?
-Is the Big East’s small size allowing all other schools to play hardball with USF?

We should have the answers to this in the next year.

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Por (Gary S.) on June 08, 2008 (Suggest removal)

The problem with all these non-BCS series is that they don’t sell tickets. USF’s home attendance is still highly sensitive to quality of opponent (and also to the Bulls’ success, but that’s another post).

Second-tier BCS opponents like Michigan State, NC State, Indiana, and Kansas will sell more tickets to home fans, attract more visiting fans, give USF more credibility with a win, do less damage with a loss, and generally make USF look like more of a big-time football program.

I have no idea why USF would rather enter into no-win situations with Ball State and Western Kentucky. I don’t mind playing such games on occasion, but they’re now too big a part of our non-Big East schedule.

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Por (Bill) on June 09, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Brett,
Do you know when/if Indiana will return the home game back to USF?
Thanks, Bill

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Por (Brett McMurphy) on June 09, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Bill, the Indiana home game was originally scheduled in 2011. But when USF added the Miami series, the Indiana game was moved back to 2016.

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Por (Jon McKee) on June 09, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I’m cool with it.  Heck does USF have to play every Florida school every year?  Think of 2010, their entire BCS non-conference schedule would be in-state schools.  What if you have a bad year, a key player is hurt.  I think playing three in state that year is plenty risky.

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Por (Chris) on June 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Brett,
I would be curious what the financial details are of the Western Kentucky deal.  Maybe they gave us a great deal to do the 1-1.  It does seem a bit odd and I am not sure if I am the USF promotional department I am too excited about the prospect of convincing folks that the home out of conference schedule for 2010 is going to be exciting. 
(Samford,Western Kentucky and Florida Atlantic…wow)

Bowling Green, Kentucky does have the Corvette museum maybe Leavitt got a Corvette thrown in the deal for himself with the WKU deal.

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Por (Brett McMurphy) on June 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Chris, I do not have a copy of the contract, but in nearly all home-and-home series it’s basically that: each team gets to host one game. There are no other financial guarantees. I’m not sure about Leavitt getting a new Corvette, but who knows. When he recently received his new extension from USF a couple of months ago, he did get a second car allotment added - and I’m guessing Mrs. Leavitt is taking advantage of that.

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Por (Cardinal Fan) on June 18, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Man, if you USF fans are that upset over us being on the schedule, you’re going to be really screaming when Ball State comes to town and beats you. 

(Oh, and by the way, your program is still only 11 years old, get over yourselves already, you’re not “too big” to play anyone yet…)

Big Ten, ACC and Big XII teams with far more history than USF have all been willing to travel to Muncie to play us in recent years. How are you somehow above that?

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