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Bay to Sox, Manny to Dodgers

Posted Jul 31, 2008 by Marc Lancaster

Updated Jul 31, 2008 at 05:18 PM

Updating, 5:15 p.m. We’re supposed to have Andrew Friedman on a conference call at 6 p.m. Check back for his thoughts on the day shortly thereafter.

Updating, 4:35 p.m. Wow—Jon Heyman is reporting Bay to the Red Sox and Manny Ramirez to the Dodgers came in under the wire. He had been saying the Dodgers were in it when no one else even mentioned them, so nice work by Heyman.

And of course that’s doubly bad for the Rays. They could have lived with not getting Bay, but seeing him go to the team they’re trying to hold off, and knowing that the Yankees have improved themselves, well, that’s not so good.

Updating, 4:10 p.m.: Rosenthal has pulled back and is now saying the vaunted three-way deal is dead, AND that it would take a “miracle” for the Rays and Pirates to get together on Bay. From what I hear, Pittsburgh was really fixated on Jeremy Hellickson.

Updating, 4 p.m.: Ken Rosenthal is now reporting the three-way deal may be back on, with Bay going to Boston and
Manny Ramirez to the Marlins. Unbelievable.

MLB.com is reporting a deal that would send Jason Bay to the Rays for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann is done, but a high-level Rays person says that is not the case and another has not heard either way.

Not to stay it isn’t going to happen within the next half-hour, but I’m not hearing that it’s been wrapped up, nor have those in Pittsburgh.

Reader Comments

Por (Josh) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Niemann and Brignac for Bay, sounds like a good deal. Get this done Friedman

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Por (Mark) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Jason Bay Traded To Rays?
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 2:43pm CST]
2:43pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says there is no done deal - the Rays might not make Brignac available.

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Por (Dave) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Just stupid,if Friedman refuses to give up Brignac and Niemann for Bay!! Because Friedman refuses to upgrade the team,now watch as both the Red Sox and Yankees pass us by.

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Por (Josh) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I agree Dave, it would be really stupid of Andrew if he didnt pull the trigger on this one. Fox is now reporting that the Manny deal didn’t go through. Maybe the Pirates are the biggest loser, for not trading Bay, when they could get some good talented prospects. Brignac hasn’t impressed me, but I’m hearing that Friedman is making him untouchable, which is complete bull.

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Por (TJ GROVE) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

WHAT A NO BRAINER.  NIEMMAN AND BRIGNAC FOR A TWO TIME ALL-STAR…...PLEASE PULL THE TRIGGER SO I CAN GET DECENT SEATS FOR THE PLAYOFFS.  REDSOX(A JOKE IN MY BOOK) ARE ON THEIR WAY TO LAST PLACE WITH THE O’S.  AND THE YANKEES, MONEY CAN’T BUY YOU TEAM UNITY…....ROCK ON RAYS….PLAYOFF BOUND BABY.  ADD TO THIS CITIES CHAMPIONSHIPS.

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Por (Matt) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Why shouldn’t the Rays play for now instead of the future? Hellickson should have been dealt to get a hitter who(is under control next season) can impact the Rays winning NOW!!!!!!

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Por (Josh) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Now MLB.com is reporting on their blog, that Bay may have ended up with the Dodgers. This is disgusting, were actualy in a pennant race, and Friedman does nothing? We have way too much pitching taent that won’t all fit here, because of our roation as is plus Price. Some of these guys had to be expendable. Unreal Andrew

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Por (Eugene McColgan) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

It’s a little frustrating to not get Bay, but we are the ones in first by 3 games!  We are so far ahead of expectations for this year.  Yes, I know you can’t guarantee you will ever be here again, but that is usually because you have so many older players, or young ones that are playing way above their potential.  Neither is the case here.  You can never be too young, too rich, or have too much quality pitching.  If Friedman wants to hang on to Davis, Price, Neimann and Hellickson, I can live with the experiment of seeing if Rocco can replace Gomes as the designated right handed hitting outfielder.

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Por (Josh) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I dont know who to believe. Now NESN is reporting that the Dodgers got Manny, and Bay is going to Boston. If this is true I truly hate Boston even more.

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Por (Josh) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

That last report on Bay to the Sox, is being reported on rotoworld.com

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Por (Gary) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Friedman’s first trade deadline grade….....F!!!!!

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Por (WilliamL) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

If they let this die I’m going to be upset.  If it took Hellickson to get the deal done then do it.  While Hellickson has a lot of potential, it’s just that, potential.  How many elite prospects have come through and never done anything?  Bay is proven and just what this team needs.  The last I checked, we had a pretty decent young staff without Hellickson on the roster, and we still have Price waiting in the wings.  Our offense on the other hand has left little to be desired.  They are not seeing the forest for the trees on this one and hopefully it doesn’t blow a realistic chance to make history in Tampa.

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Por (Matt) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Andrew Freidman standing firm was the strongest move he could have made.  Let’s not forget that when the day started that Brignac had been pulled off the table.  Freidman put him back on, to say that he didn’t make concessions without selling the farm is an understatement.  Overall we will be fine.  For everyone that says this year maybe the only year you obviously don’t know baseball.  Either way Andrew Freidman is the best GM the Rays could ask for right now.

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Por (Tim) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

“For everyone that says this year maybe the only year you obviously don’t know baseball. “

See Colorado Rockies as the “most recent”(almost every year a team does this) example of you being wrong.  Remember they went to the World Series out of nowhere. Kinda similar to the Rays, no?(not saying the Rays are going to the WS) Under .500 less than a year later. If they were in the AL East they’d be something like 20 games out.

Good call about “knowing” baseball

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Por (Anthony West) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Why is everybody complaining!!!  The Red Sox got worse today.  I’d rather face Bay than Manny any day of the week and twice on Sunday.  Bay is hitting .209 with runners in scoring position this year against weaker national league pitching.  He wasn’t worth two future starters.

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Por (Matt) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Red Sox got screwed by Manny. Thank you Manny. Sox had to give up MAnny and 2 prospects to land Bay… HAhahahahahahaha Pirates received 4 prospects better than what the Rays were ever going to offer. I dont like Friedman not doing anything, but he was never going to trade what Pitt got.

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Por (WilliamL) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I’m sorry.  They dropped the ball on this one.  This could haunt them.  To not take advantage of the position we have is a big mistake.  These are not lightweights chasing us in the standings.  All the other major players in the AL made moves to make themselves better except us.  That alone should say something.  If our offense was tearing it up and we had no issues, that would be one thing, but it’s not.  They are putting too much pressure on the pitching staff to win close games.  I hope I’m wrong, but I think this non-action will be our downfall this season.

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Por (Mark) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Matt,

Are you drinking Kool-Aid?  He may be the best GM right now, not saying alot though. We didn’t get anyone… Are we going to field 2 teams next year?  Kazmir, Shields, Garza, Jackson, and Sonnastine on one team…and how about start another team with Price, Davis, Niemann, Jake McGee, and Hellickson..Thats a good idea. Maybe thats the plan, if so we have 2 teams to cheer on. Maybe we can trade some single A and double A fielders combo for players to play with Baldelli, Brignac and Ruggiano and our triple A team . What to do with all these talented players.

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Por (full of fail) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I cannot believe we are stuck with the 2 statues in right field for the rest of the season. Save me the Rocco crap, he’ll probably tear a hammy walking up to the podium.

At least now I can make my October vacation plans since we will not be doing anything.

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Por (GGoose) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Nice job front office, everybody else gears up for a run and we dont do jack! I will laugh my ##### off when we get knocked out of the post season for lossing 20 games 2-1!

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Por (Steve Haines) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I don’t think this is as bad as it might look.  Would you rather play Boston with Ramirez in the lineup or Bay in the lineup?  If we traded for Bay we would still have to deal with Ramirez.  Now he’s in the NL.  The Yankees get Pudge but he’s probably no better than Posada when he’s healthy.  It’s easier to give up good prospects than it is to stockpile them and our days of getting the #1 pick in the draft are over.  Hopefully Rocco can help us out and the rest of the lineup can start hitting like we know they can.

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Por (Kenny) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

What the front office did today(or the lack of making a trade) was terrible, you have the Yankees making moves, the Red Sox making moves and the Rays worried about trading prospects instead of trying to win now. Also you want us fans to go out and support this team while the front doesn’t try to make this team better, sorry but don’t expect me to go to any more games, i’ll watch them on TV

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Por (doug) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

I’m not jumping ship just yet…Boston did not get any better in this trade. Their bullpen and shortstop problems did not get addressed. And their starting pitching has been shaky outside Beckett and Lester.  Jason Bay isn’t the answer for the Rays he is sportin a .190 BA against lefties. He is a career .280 hitter and 20-30 homers a season. Why would you want to trade Hellickson for that. I thought Friedman was fare in Brignac and Niemman.  And anyone who thinks that Edwin and Andy are going to be the future 4 and 5 starters for the Rays in the future need a reality check.  I wanted to see a trade just as bad as anyone but trade value prospects for someone who is worth it.

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Por (PaulW) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

My problem is that for all the effort the Rays didn’t get anyone, and we’re dealing with a Rays team that’s low on offense and in need of veteran experience to deal with the road games.

Every other team we’ve got to worry about (Boston, NY, Anaheim, Chicago) made trades and for all intents made improvements to win now.  We didn’t.  That we did nothing, not even getting Dunn when we were having trouble locking down Bay, looks poor.

Baldelli may not be our answer for offense/outfield needs.  I don’t see anybody else in the farm system that can come up outside of Price and he’s a pitcher.  While we can get better with starting pitching, that wasn’t our glaring need.

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Por (James) on July 31, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Like I’ve said elsewhere,

it’s not that the Rays didn’t land Bay. It’s not that the Red Sox did exactly what they wanted to do in getting rid of Manny and got Bay in return. It’s not that the Red Sox made themselves better.

I’m pissed because the Rays did absolutely nothing in finding a righthanded outfielder that can replace Jonny Gomes. There’s a big freaking problem when every division leader and/or AL contender made significant moves to better themselves and we are content with two bums like Jonny Gomes and Gabe Gross to play RF. My god, hello? There wasn’t ANYBODY you could’ve made a deal for?

Slackers.

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