Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/13  at  06:05 PM

Mitch you seem like the only rational guy on here. What did you think about James comment on Bryant ?? 6-10 td’s ?? Thats what I mean !! That is just ridiculous !! Chas wants division titles and 1 and dones because the Bucs are the cats meow over EVERYONE ELSE !!

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/13  at  06:02 PM

Chas your quote was… “Hey Jim Chump, the panthers have a better over all records but how many DIVISION TITLES AND SB and PLAY OFF appearences do they have in the last 7 yrs.  I will take titles,SB, and playoffs before i take over all records “

Ah Chas at least they are 5-2 in their playoffs. They lost in the Superbowl to a dynasty today. The Bucs are 3-2. Yes they dont have a SB, but at least when they get in they make a run. Atlanta made it to the NFC Championship game when they won the division. I would rather do all that than 1 and done. You want to compare records there you go !!

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/13  at  05:48 PM

Again Griese was happy to leave here and was mad that he was traded back here. He said it is known around the league about this organization. This is what the players are saying!! Lynch pushed out the door who was behind that?? All these things happen with upper management yes but it also goes through the coach. Chas.. Hackett isn’t better than half the WR’s you have now ????? Are you serious? This is what I’m talking about. Where do you come up with that. What receivers other than Galloway or Hilliard ???

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/13  at  05:42 PM

Ahhhh Chas. Way to come in with the name calling also. Man you guys are really hurtng me. GROW UP and have a civil conversation you children !! So Charles you will take Division titles and one and dones. I was just as happy as you in 2002 but since then I have seen nothing but deceipt and disgruntled players in this organization. Gruden talking out the side of his mouth. Mitch why are those players not applicable ?? Keyshawn was phased out of the offense by who? Keenan was promised a new contract by who? Whether you want to admit it or not Gruden was behind this as well. Mark Alstott never figured in his plans and was phased out. Even D Brooks held out cause he was promised a new deal and he had to hold out.

Posted by  Charels Fiske, KC, Mo on 06/13  at  09:29 AM

Jim, yes we did win our division at 9-7.  but we nad the division won at 9-5 and chose to rest our starters.  If we wouldnt have been so good and had the division wrapped up early our record would have been 10-6 or 11-5.  dont hate on us cause we had the division wrapped up early.

Posted by  Charels Fiske, KC, Mo on 06/13  at  09:03 AM

Hey Jim Chump, the panthers have a better over all records but how many DIVISION TITLES AND SB and PLAY OFF appearences do they have in the last 7 yrs.  I will take titles,SB, and playoffs before i take over all records.  Also we never had a shot at J Allen.  We didnt have enough picks to get him.  Who is Brian Beriman?  Benard Berriman was overpaid.  hacket is no better then half the recievers we currenlty have.  Thsy did want to play for gruden, tehy just got better offers.  Oh by the way I said the Bucs had 3 division titles not 4. The rest of the division together had 4 titles in 7 yrs.  Why dont you get your facts straight before you quote someone.

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/13  at  08:19 AM

Jim, RE: the Grammar, just keeping you honest

And yes, I’m done with the insults, If you’re up to it, let’s just talk facts now.

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/13  at  08:17 AM

Jim, the players you have mentioned are not applicable. 
Keyshawn - Suspended BY Gruden for being an A-hole. 
Keenan - Held out due to money, not cause he hated Gruden. 
Allstot - Didn’t see him going anywhere
Lynch - Cut, didn’t leave on his own, was pushed out the door
Simms - Unhappy cause he’s like 5th on the depth chart.

I’m waiting for a few names of top players (in their prime) that had contracts that were up and said, “You know what, I hate Gruden, I’m out of here.”

The only example of this I could think of was Dewayne White, and one of the big reasons he left was to be with Marinelli.

Keep thinking and maybe you’ll stike gold.

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/13  at  08:06 AM

Mitch…. Nice job correcting my grammar. I just wanted to keep it simple for you. I have given you examples of players not happy with Gruden. You chose to spin it and thats fine. If you want to take the words of players over your fabricated belief that your perogative!! I will stick with what the players say !!  I’m still waiting for you to prove to me Griese is in love with Gruden. That was your statement wasn’t it ?? It wasn’t in the article you posted about how happy he was to be back with Gruden. I didn’t see Grudens name in there at all. C-mon Spin Dr

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/13  at  07:58 AM

James…. thank you for proving my point. Have you brought anything to the table yet ?? I haven’t forgot about Cato June with his 74 tackles. Those are mind boggling stats. It would be easy to forget that. The Antonio Bryant comment about scoring 6-10 td’s this year, I spit my drink out on my monitor. He has scored 6 td’s once in his career when he can stay on the field. I mean really have you got your license to post ????? James just wait for Mitch to post and agree with him.

Posted by  James Anderson, Lakeland, FL on 06/13  at  04:53 AM

Ok….so maybe 8th grade Chupp. Still sounds like your a Big Dog clone. Tune in today and buy more of his dribble. Yeah Mitch…wondered if he ever heard of Cato. This is proof you should pass a test and have a license before being allowed to possess a keyboard. BTW…when Stevens scored the winning td at New Orleans, I bet all you haters were cursing instead of applauding. You might as well start pouting now, cause Bryant may score 6-10 tds this year. Grab the stones all ye judges and hurl away.

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/12  at  10:14 PM

As for Jared Allen, DJ Hackett, Devery Henderson, & Brian Berrian; Henderson stayed put in NO, Allen was traded to MN and Hackett & Berrien were highly overrated.  If you are going to try to find examples of people who wont come and play for Gruden, do better than those 4.  We’re better off without those 3 WR’s and the price for Jaren Allen was way too steep.  I’m still waiting for those concrete examples of players who hate Gruden.  Come on big guy, get those hampsters in your brain running.

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/12  at  10:07 PM

Chumpp, you a bucs fan?  Just curious.  And we’re all hiding behind our keyboards, don’t think you are Mr Toughguy cause you listed your last name.  And it’s YOU’RE Pathetic, not YOUR Pathetic.  If YOU’RE going to insult people, use proper grammar.  Out of the top 10 RB’s last year, guess how many of them will be younger than 28 in 2008? Give up? 3 - Portis, McGahee and Peterson.  Guess what the average age of the top 10 will be? 28.4 years.  So yeah, I’d say that we’re OK at RB, especially since we will be employing a RB by committee. At LB, remember Cato June?

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/12  at  09:15 PM

Yea Jaaaammmesss you brought in Antonio Bryant who hasn’t been on someones roster more than a year and Jeramy Stevens. GREAT JOB !!!! Jeff Faine was the best pickup and you over paid for him. What else you got ??? Jared Allen, DJ Hackett, Devery Henderson, & Brian Berrian are all with other teams and the Bucs still have 40+ million under tha cap !!!!!!! LMAO. Seriously you guys are making this tooooo simple

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/12  at  09:08 PM

Ohhh and James way to chime in there. WAY TO COME STRONG THERE STALLION !!!! LMAO. Do you have anything pertinent to add other than name calling??? Seriously I’m a little older than 6th grade !! James I’m going to tell the principle in a minute

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/12  at  08:57 PM

Ahhhhhh Mitch I’m an idiot for putting my last name in my posts ????? LMAO.. Sounds like you are hiding behind a keyboard there stud !!! Your pathetic. I will agree that that team needed a kick in their butts to make the next level. I also agreed that they did a good job on the o-line if you would read again… So a bunch of Rb’s 28 yrs and older are a young group??? REALLY. What is the average carrer span for a RB ???? 6 yrs tops. GOOD POINT THERE MITCH GREAT JOB !!! AS far as the LB’s I will give you Rudd but what else ?? A bunch of guys who haven’t played or did and nothing special?  The WR’s are ” ageless ” and a ” stop gap ” ????? What is that ?? Who are you talking about after those 2??? Clayton, Warren, Stovall LMAO.

Posted by  James Anderson, Lakeland, FL on 06/12  at  08:00 PM

Opps..it’s Chupp…sorry…my bad

Posted by  James Anderson, Lakeland, FL on 06/12  at  07:59 PM

<~if last name was Chump, would use my initials. Love the angst mate. But you need to admit, if anyone’s judgement is clouded…it be yours. Free agent changes this offseason…got younger at every position.

<~ pass the calculator to Einstein.

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/12  at  07:30 PM

Chump, please fill me in on how Tony Dungy faired in the playoffs with the same team that Gruden took to the Super Bowl.  Oh that’s right, 3 straight first round playoff losses.  Couldn’t beat Philly.  All Gruden did was add Pittman, Joe Jurevicius, & McCardell on top of Dungy’s players and won.  Say what you want, if Dungy was around in 2002, we don’t win the SB.

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/12  at  07:27 PM

Chump, why would I put my last name on here?  I’m not an idiot (oops).  The title of the article states - After 2 years, Griese happy to be back.  It doesn’t say, After 2 years, Griese pissed to be back (as you have stated).  Being that you are in the know, please tell me all of the players that are so unhappy and hate Gruden and all of the others who have left because of Gruden.  I’m still waiting on that list.

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/12  at  07:24 PM

Chump, the team is getting old?  Really?
LBs - With the exception of Brooks, all under 30 (Ruud 25, June 29)
O-Line - Majority under 27
D-Line - With the exception of Carter all under 30
CB - With exception of Barber, all under 30 and most at 28
S - All under 30
WR - Galloway is ageless, Hilliard is stop gap, but the rest of them 27 and younger
RB - Graham 28, Bennett 30, Caddy - 24, Askew 28, Dunn 33
QB - Old, I’ll give you that

Fact is, we’ve done a great job over the past 2 years drafting and getting younger.

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/12  at  07:08 PM

Guys I’m running reality at you. If you choose to wear the colored glasses go ahead. Passion and being a fan is one thing but not using judgement is another. This team is becoming the Raiders. They are getting old and have questionable characters coming on this team !! Except for the o-line ( Bucs did a great job with them ) everyone is getting old. Millions under the cap and raising ticket prices they won’t take care of Garcia or Graham?? Again this is reality. More than the usual players are disgruntled with Gruden and Allen and you want to call them whinners. WAKE UP. Its not the players. Thats all I’m done with you

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/12  at  07:00 PM

1 SB is a great accomplishment when you win with someone elses team isn’t it !!! He was lucky he played the Raiders because they knew every play they were running. What the defense had 3 td’s that game jumping routes ?? Callahan was an idiot for not changing his plays in certain situations. The Bucs players were saying we knew what they were going to run. And Charles once again they don’t have 4 South titles. Hard to do that when every other year your going 7-9, 5-11, & 4-12 and oh yeah you win a title at 9-7. Again son think before you post

Posted by  Jim Chupp, Brandon on 06/12  at  06:52 PM

Mitch R and Charles where do I start ?? Hey Mitch R ( whats your last name coward ) where in that article does it say Griese is happy to be playing for Gruden??? I will give you a second, reread it, HEY IT DOESN’T DOES IT !!! Griese is happy to have a job period. The bears won’t pay 300k to keep him with Grossman as their QB??? LMAO. The name calling is very mature and shows your intelligence. NICE JOB. Charles before you post PLEASE THINK before you post !!! 48-48 for Gruden WOW. The Panthers are 51-45 so thats better from what I see. You need a calculator or can you use your fingers and toes ??

Posted by  Mitch R, NYC on 06/12  at  11:36 AM

Jim Chump, from ther Griese article in today’s TBO, he seems very happy to be back in TB and with Gruden.  Are you ready to admit you’re wrong?

“It was tough to go out like that in 2005 with an injury,” Griese said. “It hurt. It hurt bad. There’s no doubt about it that I have unfinished business here. I felt very comfortable and never really wanted to leave. It’s good to be wanted. I wish they had wanted me two years ago to be honest, but that’s the business and I understand that.”