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Posted Sep 10, 2008 by Roy Cummings
Updated Sep 10, 2008 at 07:09 PM
TAMPA Something is wrong with Jeff Garcia, something that goes way beyond that ankle problem that materialized overnight Sunday.
Bucs coach Jon Gruden isn’t sure what it is. All he knows is he can’t trot Garcia out onto the field as his starting quarterback again until the problem is corrected.
That’s why Gruden told Garcia on Tuesday and the rest of the world Wednesday that Brian Griese will start at quarterback for the Bucs when they take on the Falcons on Sunday at Raymond James Stadium.
“I’m a pretty good judge of Jeff Garcia and I’m a big believer in him,” Gruden said in explaining the move. “I just believe that right now, what we’re seeing is not what Jeff Garcia is capable of doing.
“Right now he’s not the same guy that he was. So until I see the ball thrown with the crisp, accurate velocity, the confident swagger that we’re used to seeing, we’re going to let him sit out.”
The change didn’t come as much of a surprise. Garcia struggled in the opener against the Saints last week, missing several open receivers, and Gruden sounded a lot like a guy who was ready to make a switch when he revealed Garcia’s ankle injury Monday.
Nor will it come as much of a surprise if this change becomes permanent. Gruden said he was simply giving Garcia the week off to find his rhythm, but there’s a good chance Griese will remain the starter if he can pull the Bucs back onto the winning track.
“Hey, life is all about making the most of your opportunities,” said Gruden, who saw Griese make quite a lot out of an opportunity with the Bucs back in 2004.
After taking over for a struggling Brad Johnson and an injured Chris Simms in Week 5 of that year, Griese won four of his first seven starts to help the Bucs rebound from an 0-4 start.
He didn’t rally the Bucs well enough to get them into the playoffs that year, but he did impress them enough to return as the starter in 2005. Griese took good advantage of that opportunity as well.
He guided the Bucs to victories in each of their first four games and was helping them win their fifth game in six tries when a knee sprain knocked him out for the season.
Simms took over after that and after finishing off the Bucs’ 2005 playoff run, Simms was named the Bucs starter for 2006. Griese, meanwhile, was deemed too expensive and expendable, and after being let go, he signed with the Bears.
Griese didn’t get much of an opportunity in the Windy City. He didn’t start a game for the Bears in 2006 and was removed as the starter after only six starts there in 2007.
He was looking at spending another year as a Chicago backup when the Bucs brought him back in a trade this past offseason. Now Griese is right back where he was in 2005, which suits him just fine.
“When I left here in 2005, I felt like I had unfinished business here,” Griese said. “I mean, it really hurt when I was injured and didn’t have a chance to come back.
“I knew we had a good team, and really, [being let go] stung. Ever since then I wanted that chance to come back and finish that business and that’s how I’m going to approach this opportunity.”
Griese, 33, faces a lot of the same challenges as Garcia, who was not made available to the media Wednesday and did not respond to phone or text messages left for him.
He takes over a first-unit offense that he has not run for nearly three weeks. It’s possible he could struggle to find his rhythm in much the same way Garcia did, but with the Bucs sitting at 0-1, he says he can’t afford to do that.
“I have to hit the ground running, so I have to do everything I can this week to be prepared so that come Sunday, I can be up to speed,” Griese said. “There is no room for error.”
Garcia, who missed the majority of training camp and the preseason because of a right calf strain, struggled mostly to get into sync with Joey Galloway, the Bucs’ top offensive weapon.
Griese, who ran the offense in Garcia’s stead and compiled a 94.2 passer rating along the way, has barely worked at all with Galloway this year, but he believes he and Galloway can make a connection quickly.
“The one unique thing is that I do have a relationship with Joey going back a ways,” said Griese, who worked with Galloway in 2004 and 2005. “I’ve thrown a lot of balls to him in my career, so I’ll lean on that.
“He is a unique individual when you’re throwing the ball to him. The next two days we’ll try to get as much work in together as we can and then go out on Sunday and do the best we can against Atlanta.”
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Por (t- bidnizz) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
come on people i think garica is pretty gud just didnt play n the preseason look at p. manning, t. brady, m. hasselback they all had bad games to cause of the lack of preseason play. brian may help us but if we be pateint josh johnson will be our starter n pretty gud starter after he learns the playbook…. p.s. i wish we would at lease tried to get an eddie royal or colt brenan to upgrade but we will be ite
Suggest removalPor (Chilli-Palma) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
I say we should all “BE COOL” and let our great offensive genuis keep shooting himself and his little puppet GM Allen in the foot with the little 4 yard pass plays until the Glazers Boys have finally had enough, Til then I say we should all “Bench” Carmilla if given the chance
Suggest removalPor (RCG2) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
You mean to tell me it took the last quarter of last season, the playoffs, the entire preseason, and our first game this year to figure out that you need to practice in order to play well? I guess better late than never, but Gruden made this bed and no he’s gotta sleep in it. Oh, and by the way, GIVE THE BALL TO GRAHAM!
Suggest removalPor (todd) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
If Griese doesn’t work out…I say let JOSH JOHNSON GET SOME PLAYING TIME IN !!! LET THE MAN DEVELOPE. THERES NO BETTER WAY THEN TO THROW HIM IN THERE WITH THE DOGS !!! Lets see the arm and legs he has. Whats there to LOSE ?
Suggest removalPor (Buc fan In VA) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
I bet we will run the ball 40 times this sunday and I still say put M. Bennett on the field!! I also agree that if Griese plays well, Gruden will forget all about Mr. Garcia, just ask B. johnson, C. Simms and even Griese for that matter!
Suggest removalPor (ref813) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
Kinzer, until now, only Saints fans and an idiot called wellswood wasted their time on our site. I don’t care what team you pull for. You have no business running your stupid mouth in here. The only “wanna bee” I could possibly have seen was Phillips running his mouth while not playing great. I wouldn’t say that makes him a “wanna bee” because he was great last year. If you enjoy wasting your days talking s#$% for no reason, that’s your problem. I will try to ignore you worthless clowns from now on. Some of us actually want to have intelligent discussions about our team in here. Great English by the way. Those who use slang are usually the biggest idiots.
Suggest removalPor (ref813) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
As I’ve said, why Griese? He has a habit of throwing ints, especially in the red zone, and a weak arm. He’s older. It’s unlikely he has improved much in the past few years sitting on the bench. Why not try McCown? He doesn’t throw any more ints than Griese and he can run. He also has a strong arm. I hope we run a whole lot if we aren’t ever going to try a younger player who may actually work out at QB. I guess, because Simms failed and Grad failed, Gruden doesn’t want to take the chance. I hope he’s seeing something I’m not. If not, I’ll be less of a supporter of him.
Suggest removalPor (Gruden Bites) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
All you Griese fans need to get a clue! If Gruden loves this guy so much why did they let him leave town? The truth is Gruden has no idea what he wants. He loves Garcia then he hates him, he loves Griese (the first time) then he hates him, same for Brad Johnson, Gradkowski etc etc. Do you guys see the pattern? Gruden has a problem; he thinks his system is great but he cannot find anyone to run it, including veterans. I would say that any system that is too complicated to run is not a good system.
Suggest removalGruden has worn out his welcome here in Tampa and has proven that he is NOT a guru of offense!
Por (Rick Story) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
I agree Bennett needs to be on the field. I can’t understand losing the running mentality that coach said. We were never down by more than a touchdown the whole game. The running game was on it and just like the playoff game last year, we just stopped running the ball. To all of you that keep saying put in a rookie QB, what do we have to lose? Well, the season for one thing. We lost one dang game and your all ready to throw the season away. Crazy.
Suggest removalPor (Joe) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
Gruden is like one of those bosses that we’ve all had and hate. Agree this is a business but there are long term implications as well as short term ones. Dumping a pro bowl QB after 1 week does nothing for long term success of the Bucs. I have never been critical of Gruden but this is absurd. It is his fault we lost last week. On the road, in a close game, the running game is working, the passing is not sharp. Not running the ball is the issue. Pass when the running game is not working or you’re way behind. Gruden needs to bench himself.
Suggest removalPor (Nolan559) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
How about for next years draft they try and pick up QB Tom Brandstater from Fresno State. Oh btw where the hell was Gruden and the red flag during the Saints game…
Suggest removalPor (John Klopfer) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
I wonder if Garcia has a bit of Farvistis? I think Luke would be a much better choice. What if Simms steps in for the injured Vince Young and becomes a hero?
Suggest removalPor (t-bidnizz) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
yea gruden offense is killing us with this playbook seens to me the defense plays there heart out every wk after wk n the ofense just hanging out we got potential to be a powerhouse n the nfl just seems to me gruden just be holding back… why n give dunn more carries get the two headed running game going…..I know we can mkae it to the bowl if the offense just help the defense help a lil it would be ova exception of tabib missed time jump, ronde legs gettin tangled, we pretty much domainated the game so were just fine just offense please help us out here
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Suggest removalPor (DC) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
Kenneth, you’re need to do some research. If you actually remembered correctly, you’d remember that Griese was 5-1 as the starter before he got hurt. They said he was too expensive and Simms looked promising is why they released him. Go do some homework. Garcia is/was good, but so is Griese in Tampa’s system. Griese is the reason we got to the playoffs that year.
Suggest removalPor (todd) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
DC from Melbourne,
You are absolutely correct !!!
Suggest removalPor (BigBucFan) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
Garcia didn’t just all of a sudden fall apart last Sunday. As said before, by others, this started last year after his injury. Griese was terrible in Chicago, but he has been good so far this preseason & played well in Gruden’s System. He is no doubt, worth a shot. If he doesn’t do well McCown will be next. Do all you pseudo NFL coaches out there, think that you can do better? It kills me just how out of touch some of you guys are. I bet less than 20% of the Mouths on this site actually have watched 1 full game, or have a clue about our team. If you want to just run you Sucks, go find a teet to nurse on.
Suggest removalPor (BigBucFan) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
It was just the 1’st game & no reason to panic. Adjustments were needed & they have been made. We get our 2’nd test this week. Win or Lose, more adjustments will be made. Soon, we should get Davin back. We need him. Chucky has said on every interview since the Game that he wants to run Graham & Dunn more & more. Our rookies should get progressively better as well as our newbies. For all the Gruden Bashers including sports writers, you aren’t a pimple on Jon Gruden’s @$$. If Gruden was so bad, would Kiff still be here? Would Raheem have come back? If you don’t believe in the team AS A WHOLE, why are you here?
Suggest removalPor (BigBucFan) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
And as for the “playbook”. Have any of you seen Gruden’s playbook. No, not one of you has seen it one time. It’s fuuny that the ones that complain about it are the ones that can’t comprehend it. Sounds like Zuttah picked it up in just a few months. Do you really think that if Gruden has a star player that can’t understand it, that he wouldn’t adjust the verbiage or parts of it so that star player could be successful? I’m sure he has some very complex calls & reads, but he also has simple ones too. Most of these players should either have Degrees or be very close. Maybe they should have worked harder on the academics like t-bidnizz.
Suggest removalPor (Nolan559) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
I don’t know how the rest of you feel, but we got robbed via the Saints game. Bush steps out on the 3 yard line, they call TOUCHDOWN.. The way our defense was playing who knows they might of only gotten away with 3 points. The hit that Barber put on (think it was Bush) should have been a fumble recovery + touchdown, and Adams being held and so on. Anyone else feel like we actually should of walked away with a W instead of that L word or is it just me =( : : : :
Suggest removalPor (Jesse Henn) on September 10, 2008 (Suggest removal)
gt from Clearwater, Kinzer, Lou C & Grudenbites & all Gruden haters, I know that Gruden has had moments that deserve some bashing, but I still support him. I’ve posted it before that he has more passion for football than so many of us combined, the kind of guy you want as your coach. My biggest concerns with Gruden: play your starters, unless the team is winning big, & the overall offense needs to improve. The highest any Bucs offense has finished is 10, that happened twice, and I want to see better than that & more often. I don’t doubt that Gruden can lead this offense, this season, to a vast improvement. But I guess unless Tampa wins the Super Bowl, you anti-Gruden’s just won’t appreciate the coach.
Suggest removalPor (Roland Woltman) on September 11, 2008 (Suggest removal)
Is anyone going to mention the (18 total) missed tackles (the # is from Doug Graber). I thought our D had a poor pass rush and our LB play was very poor.
Lets hope all those new guys they added dont gel. Maybe we can win the division at 9-7.
Suggest removalAs for the O, how can u run more if the QB can’t convert short passes on 3rd and 3? I think you are forced to goto the air to hope you find some rythm.
I also felt Garcia was less then quick with his reads to go along with poor accuracy. I saw open WRs. Wich at times I almost never notice in this O.
So, the good news is, the Saints D sux.
Por (MattP) on September 11, 2008 (Suggest removal)
No mystery here - Gruden and Allen did this one. They’ve been disrespecting him all offseason.
Suggest removalThink of it this way, how would you feel if you started a new job where you turn around a company, then they don’t pay your bonus, then the next year they want to replace you. That would take the wind out of my sails too. Garcia probably has had enough of being treated like a pawn. I’d react the same way too. If I was Garcia, I’d play here and there, collect a paycheck, enjoy my teammates and then leave this year w/ a big FU to mangement on the way out. Nice way to treat your starting QB Bucs. Way to show some class.
Por (mike kobres) on September 11, 2008 (Suggest removal)
So/ Mr Garcia just “isnt himself?”
Suggest removalI have a feeling Mr. Derrick Brooks is himself! Whats really goin on here?
Seems as the “fire” in Mr Garcia’s eyes have started to go out? Is it money?
Is it the Coach? Is it Injury? How many think it’s injury? I dont~ I have a feeling, Mr Garcia’s feelings were hurt?
Over the Favre stuff. I liked Garcia, until now. He just , well, seems to me he is not “Man’ing up?”
Theres alot going on~that is not made available, to us? The ppl who make the game what it is!
Por (BigBucFan) on September 11, 2008 (Suggest removal)
Matt in Hermosa Beach. I’m glad you don’t wotk for me. Few companies treat employees like Kings or put their people above the health of their business. Employees get paid to do a job(like Garcia). They’re expected to do their best & a business will thrive. When you give extra effort you often get raises, promotions & bonuses. However, some people still get disgruntled when it doesn’t happen in their time frame. They will quietly bash the business to clients or other employees, or sneak in breaks or cheat the company. They’re like a cancer & the worst employees. You don’t reward them to change their behavior. Money will not motivate people to work harder.
Suggest removalPor (BigBucFan) on September 11, 2008 (Suggest removal)
This is why many employees never become managers. They can’t see their performance through the Boss’s eyes. Cream rises to the top, but at different rates. If Garcia didn’t get hurt, he would have got his Bonus. He didn’t save Gruden’s job. The team saved jobs. If Garcia is not smart enough to see the problems his MOUTH caused(like Simms) by putting himself before the team, then he has no place on the team. As an individual, you should alway put yourself last, behind the team. It is the only road to success. Why did the Pats win 3 superbowls? Garcia should be cheering Griese on. He has a new baby daughter, beautiful wife, lots of money & he can’t be happy. Gruallen made all the right calls.
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