Por (Mitch R) on May 14, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Kinzer is an idiot and Skylar has just joined the club by agreeing.  We signed a ton of very good free agents that will add depth and compete for starting positions.  We do take care of our players too, why else would Brooks and Allstot have stayed.  You guys look for all the negatives and non of the positives.  We won the division last year and all I heard was Kinzer bitching.  We’ve had a great offseason and all I hear is Kinzer bitching.  When will it end James?

Por (Dan) on May 14, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Mitch, you are right I don’t think Kinzer and skylar are to brite. Your probly going to have to forgive them because look their from WV, they don’t
even have a football team. Give them a break.

Por (James R. Kinzer) on May 14, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Hi Dan;

I think that I could match you with education without trying very hard!!  Your spelling of bright and probably are both wrong and it’s not their, it’s they are!!  Oh, we don’t have a pro team here, but WVU went to a BCS game last year and kicked the s*#t out of Ok..  In the last 3 years, WVU is the only team to beat the SEC’s best (Georgia)!!  The year after that, WVU beat the ACC’s best, GA.Tech!! I was very fortunate though, I did live in Tampa for 15 yrs and I loved it and the Bucs!!

Por (John Klopfer) on May 14, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Hey Dan,

No offense but when you say that Kinzer isn’t “to brite,” you would sound more intelligent if you spelled it “too bright.” If you are going to voice opinions…they become more credible if you spell the words correctly. A hint…write (not rite) your comment on Microsoft Word, then cut and paste. Most educated people will think more of your comments if they are grammatically correct.

As for Graham, he is under contract…he should be at practice.

Por (Ronald Joseph Irish) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Grahm’s performance last season is well deserving of a raise. If Drew Rosenhaus doesn’t accept an offer for a 2 year incentive based starter money contract, He should try to find a team that will give him what he wants for Grahm. I don’t think a running back in his mid 20’s that touches the ball 20-25 times a game should risk his health for a special teams contributor salary. We have 2 veteran proven backs practicing right now. To say Dunn and Bennett will carry the load and stay healthy like Grahm did last season is impossible to predict. Can Cadillac return better than ever? We won’t know till he takes hits in pads. Why doesn’t Bruce Allen offer Grahm the exact same deal as Dunn, like how he handled QBs Garcia and Simms last year.

Por (steve) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

you cant give this guy millions, hes not worth it.  He was a #3 who got to play beacause of injuries. if he starts all year and produces sure but not until then.  i agree with a little more money, or just in incentives if he reaches certain stats.  he may not be a starter this year with all the competition.

Por (JVand) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Hey Bruce Allen,

This is what happens when for a pair of years you cry hamstrung by the cap, then all last year you boast about how much cap space you have to bring in playmakers, and then don’t bring anyone in.

Well, its going to be difficult to bring others in if you show that you don’t take care of your own.

Say that Graham was a prior special teamer, that Greg White was an Arena guy, and that Garcia is old. Players see that you made Brian Kelly buy out of his contract instead of cutting him (when you had plenty of cap space to resign him). The message is clear.

Por (Skylar) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

To Mitch and Dan: apparently you didn’t notice the hint of sarcasm in my writing. Therefore, not only are you incapable of spelling properly, you have difficulty with reading comprehension. Read the third sentence where I state that his rhetoric is complete and utter nonsense. Now I’m responding to your ignorant comments when we’re on the same side. Please stop blogging as you make the IQ of the website drop a few notches when you post. GO BUCS!!!

Por (David) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

If E.G. wants to sit out, bring in Pitman. I think he still needs a team.

Por (WilliamL) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Let Graham put together another nice season and at least break 1000 yards before giving in to a holdout. Remember Errict Rhett?  He sat himself right out of a job and a career.  At least Rhett ran for 1000 yards.

Por (Mitch R) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Skylar, I apologize 10000 times over, I must’ve missed some key words in your post and thus didn’t realize you were bashing Kinzer’s idiotic comments (as all on this blog must do).  Upon reading your post again, it is very clear that you were sarcastic and thus didn’t deserve my comments.  Sorry again.

Por (Shawn Golan) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Graham needed to get his ##### to the OTAs.  Maybe I missed something, but did Graham become some kind of pro bowler?  Did I miss that announcement?  I don’t think I did, which is why its so hard for me to understand how this kid believes that he’s earned the right to skip team functions.  I’m willing to admit that he did enough for a new contract, and a small raise, but one year of “solid” [not great] play does not make you a $4M RB, I hope he and his agent realize that.  Graham needs to take a page from Garcia - show up, practice, be with your team…show management that you’re committed and they’ll take care of you.  I hope someone lets EG know that before he goes burning all his bridges.

Por (Dan) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Skylar, Sorry about that. You are right
and I am wrong. I just read the first couple of sentences that you posted and couldn’t go on reading that nonsence. I shouldn’t put you in the same catagory as Kinzer. He is in a catagory all by his self.

Por (Skylar) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

At least we’re all on the same page now. Thanks for the candor and honesty gents.

Por (charles fiske) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Why not offer graham an inncentive based contract?  If he gets so many touches and so many yards he should get the millions he would deserve.  As for Garcia, the Bucs should pay him the bonus he would have got had Gruden not forced him to sit the last 2 games last season, he earned that money.  After that he should play out the rest of his contract and be happy he is still playing for a great team at his age.

Por (Mitch R) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Charles, Gruden forced him to sit the last 2 games?  Or was Gruden keeping him out because Garcia had a balky back?  There’s a fine line between pre-caution and resting.  I think Gruden was doing both.  He wanted his QB fresh and his back 100% for the playoff run.  He wasn’t holding him out to keep him from making his bonus.  Again, if Garcia wasn’t happy with the money in his contract, he shouldn’t have signed last year or he should have signed a 1 year deal.  JEEZ.

Por (charles fiske) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Mitch, if teh Bucs had to win those last 2 games of the season to make the playoffs would gruden have sat garcia with a sore back?  I dont think so.  Garcia would be playing with a sore back.  Would he have made it through both games is the question.  I dont think gruden sat him so he did not have to pay him the bonus, but I do think if he took 70% of the snaps prior to those 2 games he should get his bonus.  You are right in the fact he did sign a 2 year contract so he should play this year out for what he signed for.

Por (charles fiske) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Even if Garcia had been 100% heathy, Gruden still would have sat him to prevent a injury.  It wasn’t just garcia that rode the bench, it was alot of the key players for the Bucs that did not play those 2 games.

Por (Mitch R) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Charles, we clinched the division with 2 games to play, so resting Garcia was a priority in order to get ready for the playoffs.  I do think that Garcia played the entire 1st half vs the 49ers in game 15 and didn’t take 1 snap in the final game.  He missed his incentives not from Gruden holding him back in the final game and a half, but due to him missing almost 3 games due to injury.  THAT’S WHY INCENTIVES ARE IN CONTRACTS, to ensure that the player is geting paid for what the team is expecting.

Por (charles fiske) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Mitch,  All garcia had to do was take 70% of the snaps.  So you can miss 3 games out of 10 and still get your incentive.  Do the math.  it was gruden sitting him the game and a half that made him miss his incentive.

Por (Skylar) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Both of you are wrong. Garcia got hurt due to an ill-advised run on the second play of the 12th or 13th game. He hurt himself and missed the majority of the final 3 games. It was his own fault for making a boneheaded decision to dive instead of slide early in the game. That’s all on Garcia, not Gruden. If I’m not mistaken we had to rely on Gradkowski to win that game (Redskins?) which he did, and Garcia was gimpy from there on out. If he had played that game out, he would have had his 70%. That’s not Gruden’s fault and to slide on a run is QB101 - something a veteran should know.

Por (Dan) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Thats what most teams do after winning their division, “they rest the starters before the playoffs.” Why do you want to play them in a game that totally doesn’t mean anything? Then you are risking a injury that can hurt you in the playoffs. The last thing on their minds are incentives. Anyway why are we talking about Garcia on the EG post?

Por (charles fiske) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

A player on an incentive based contract should not get penalized for having to sit because thier team won thier division early is what i was saying.  If you read what I said earlier, I said that if he took 70% of the snaps before teh games he was forced to sit then he should get the bonus.  Otherwise we are encouraging our players to play bad so they dont win thier division early so they can take 70% of the snaps and play all the games.  we should reward Garcia for clinching the division early so he could sit, dont penalize him for that.

Por (charles fiske) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Next Gradowski never won any game for us.  He never score any points for us.  Our great Defense held off the Redskins long enough to win that game.  Bruce only threw for 106 yards and 0 INT 0 TDs. Our D got us 6 turnovers in that game.  Garcia came back 2 weeks later and played a full game and won37-3.  He played the following week for 2 quaters before he was pulled(not due to injury but fear of future injury) and we were up by seven when he was pulled.  Then Mcnoun came in threw an INT and fumbled away teh ball.  We would have won that game had Garcia stayed in.  Even sitting that last game and half he still took 67% of teh snaps.  I think he deserves his bonus.

Por (charles fiske) on May 15, 2008 (Suggest removal)

Dan, not all teams rest thier starters after clinching the playoffs.  Look at the Giants.  they played all their starters against the Patriots when it didn’t matter if they won or not.  Look what it did for them, it gave them momentum going into the playoffs and they won the super bowl.