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Big East bowl picture; USF-Memphis likely St. Pete matchup


OK, I’ve got one final chance to figure this thing out, so here goes. Again, USF, under every scenario I can imagine (except for Cincinnati getting Lost (new season starts next month!) in Hawaii this weekend, or Pitt and West Virginia disbanding their programs by Saturday), is locked into the St. Petersburg Bowl.

And USF’s opponent looks like it will be Memphis (6-6). The Tigers started 0-3, won three straight to get to 3-3 and then finished 6-6. The Bulls and Tigers had two common opponents: UCF and Louisville. USF won at UCF 31-24 in overtime Sept. 6, Memphis lost at home to UCF 28-21 on Nov. 22. Louisville beat USF in Louisville 24-20 on Oct. 25 and won at Memphis 35-28 on Oct. 10.

The teams played four consecutive seasons from 2001-04, with three of the four contests decided by eight points or less. Memphis won the first and last meetings, USF the middle two games.

Anyway on to the rest of the Big East bowl picture. Here are the various scenarios based on this week’s three Big East games – Louisville at Rutgers Thursday; USF at WVU and Pitt at UConn Saturday.

Scenario 1: Rutgers, WVU and Pitt win. Orange (Cincy), Sun (Pitt), Meineke Car Care (WVU), Papajohns.com (Rutgers), International (UConn), St. Pete (USF).

Scenario 2: Rutgers, USF and Pitt win. Orange (Cincy), Sun (Pitt), Meineke Car Care (Rutgers), Papajohns.com (WVU), International (UConn), St. Pete (USF).

Scenario 3: Rutgers, WVU and UConn win. Orange (Cincy), Sun (Rutgers), Meineke Car Care (WVU), Papajohns.com (Pitt/UConn), International (UConn/Pitt), St. Pete (USF). Sorry I’m hedging on Papajohns and International. I’ve heard both teams going to each bowl.

Scenario 4: Rutgers, USF and UConn win. Orange (Cincy), Sun (Rutgers), Meineke Car Care (WVU), Papajohns.com (Pitt/UConn), International (Pitt/UConn), St. Pete (USF).

Scenario 5: Rutgers loses, WVU and Pitt win. The Sun Bowl, once its bowl officials stop dancing, put their clothes back on, stop hyperventilating and invite Notre Dame. Orange (Cincy), Sun (Notre Dame), Meineke Car Care (WVU), Papajohns.com (Pitt), International (UConn), St. Pete (USF). Rutgers and Louisville shopped to non-Big East bowls.

Scenario 6: Rutgers loses, USF and Pitt win.Orange (Cincy), Sun (Notre Dame), Meineke Car Care (Pitt), Papajohns.com (WVU), International (UConn), St. Pete (USF). Rutgers and Louisville shopped to non-Big East bowls.

Scenario 7: Rutgers loses, WVU and UConn win. Orange (Cincy), Sun (Notre Dame), Meineke Car Care (WVU), Papajohns.com (UConn), International (Pitt), St. Pete (USF). Rutgers and Louisville shopped to non-Big East bowls.

Scenario 8: Rutgers loses, USF and UConn win. Orange (Cincy), Sun (Notre Dame), Meineke Car Care (WVU), Papajohns.com (UConn), International (Pitt), St. Pete (USF). Rutgers and Louisville shopped to non-Big East bowls. 

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Posted by  Allen Brown, Tampa on 12/03  at  10:41 AM

If you are such a fair weather fan, why are you posting on a USF blog?  Ah yes, just so you have somewhere to complain and rile some people up.  Some of us USF alum don’t think as you do.  I’m pretty happy about a cheap bowl trip.  Would I rather be trying to figure out how to pay for the Orange Bowl?  Sure, but there’s a good side to this as well.


Posted by  Patrick O'Rourke, D.C. on 12/03  at  09:57 AM

Sorry to burst your bubble, Danny boy...USF ‘96-’00.

I know it is unfathomable that there are actually USF alums out there who don’t lap up everything USF does as perfection, but we do exist in great numbers.  We choose to live in the real world.

Go make some of the comments you’re making here outside of your little utopian USF circles and see how many people take you seriously.


Posted by  Don G,  on 12/02  at  09:15 PM

Hey Brett, with the Rutgers-L’ville game on tv this Thursday, it would seem that depending on outcome (if Rutgers wins), St. Pete Bowl could make their selection (USF) as early as Friday?  Do you think that would happen & if so, should USF wait until completion of their game with WVA before accepting?


Posted by  usfb, ga on 12/02  at  05:12 PM

usf95 ur mother need to go to a home punk


Posted by  Brett McMurphy,  on 12/02  at  02:54 PM

James, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but check out Scenario 4: Rutgers would then go to Sun and Meineke would jump at WVU, even with two consecutive losses. USF still heads to St. Pete.


Posted by  James, San Antonio TX on 12/02  at  02:04 PM

Let’s say (unlikely scenario) that USF completely dominates and blows out WVU.  Also, Pitt loses, making Pitt, UConn, and USF all tied overall at 8-4 for the second best overall (not conference) record.  USF by virtue of dominant victory receives votes in polls, jumping Pitt in # of votes.  Would USF go to a better bowl?


Posted by  Allen Brown, Tampa on 12/02  at  12:40 PM

Can’t wait for the next season of Lost and Season 4 on Blu-ray.


Posted by  Dan, Tampa on 12/02  at  11:28 AM

Don, there are several things to consider. Points play a big role, as in most donations, and season BASKETBALL ticket longevity - you’d be amazed. I was. My great tickets at RayJay turned into sucky seats in Birmingham. Sponsors and dignitaries get better seats. Then ESPN put all the fans on the same side of the field (different sides of the 50) so it would look fuller on TV. There were some security issues - don’t try to go to the vendors on the opponents side - but you are right, they Trop layout looks TERRIBLE if you are on the 3rd base side. 1st base side looks fine. Keep your finers crossed. Does anybody know if they bring in seats on the 3rd base side or if they move bleachers?


Posted by  Don G,  on 12/02  at  08:05 AM

Re: St. Pete Bowl, I’m waiting on a buddy who usually comes thru with good seats for USF games due to his school connections.  I looked at seating for the Trop, and was disappointed at the seating on the back-side of field layout (seats in left & center field).  Long distance from that side of field to those outfield seats. Already nearly all the good seats on near-side are gone except for the end zones. Has anyone here heard that they plan on enstalling bleachers in the outfield area closer to the football field?


Posted by  Dan, Tampa on 12/02  at  02:03 AM

Terry, you are a true fan. Venice and Patrick, I doubt you even went to USF. Why waste the effort to write in about a team you want to PUNISH? That makes sense. Go to ONE of the August workouts and tell me these kids don’t work hard. YOU guys are the LOSERS.

Carolina was a fun trip last time, and it’ll be even more fun this time if we go. Keep your fingers crossed that Brett is wrong, but if not, I will enjoy a short trip across the Howard Frankland bridge.


Posted by  Terry Lucas, Queen Creek, AZ on 12/01  at  11:26 PM

Harsh words from Venice… Let me see… I flew cross country and saw us beat UCF (that will always make a weekend great). I stayed all week and witnessed a great win vs Kansas (who really only has a bad loss to Nebraska). I’m not disappointed in the players… more the coaching to be honest (at certain positions). I’m flying to Morgantown and hoping for a clean sweep. Either way, I get to see my family in DC, and my Bulls one last time as St. Pete isn’t in the plans (as of yet). We may not be on fire right now, but I will always want USF to win.

Go Bulls!


Posted by  USF95, Venice on 12/01  at  10:20 PM

I say good for St. Pete.  USF gets a $1,000,000 from the Big East for no travel costs.  This team is a huge disappointment and doesn’t deserve anything.  I don’t want this team anywhere but St. Pete so they can take a bus on game day and bus back.  I want them to have NO FUN and just play.  This team did nothing all year worthy of an enjoyable experience and obviously had too much fun last season because they humiliated themselves, the school and the Big East against Oregon and their third string QB last year.  This team is such a joke they will struggle with Memphis.


Posted by  Brett McMurphy,  on 12/01  at  07:57 PM

Chris and Bill, the Meineke Car Care Bowl has the third selection - and not third place. With that said, it would be hard for them to pass on either West Virginia, Pittsburgh or Rutgers (if RU beats Louisville) over a USF team that will be fifth-place, at best, in the league. WVU and Rutgers have demonstrated they travel much better than USF, while Pitt hasn’t been to a bowl since 2004, so its fan base, in theory, would be excited for a bowl trip.


Posted by  Bill, Ocala on 12/01  at  06:52 PM

I am also hoping for a win in WV and a possible shot at Carolina.  I believe they have an order of who does the selection and are not required to select in the order of finish. So there is always a hope.  Maybe slim or even very slim but a hope.


Posted by  chris harmon, jacksonville, fl on 12/01  at  05:44 PM

still hoping a victory against wvu might put us in carolina with an ACC opponent.  st pete would be very disappointing.


Posted by  Patrick O'Rourke, D.C. on 12/01  at  01:56 PM

Holy crap....an underachieving USF squad against a putrid 6-6 Memphis or Southern Miss team?

I’m going to vomit.

I was looking forward to going to the Bulls bowl game AGAIN this season, but count me out for this year.  I work hard for my money, and there is no way I’m shelling out that kind of cash for that. 

Now, if that makes me a fair weather fan, then consider me proud to be such!


Posted by  Brett McMurphy,  on 12/01  at  01:54 PM

Kreskin, I can’t give away all my secrets.


Posted by  Kreskin, Tampa on 12/01  at  01:42 PM

These scenarios all are based on you projecting which teams bowls will pick. How can you claim to know that?


Posted by  Dan, Tampa on 12/01  at  01:38 PM

If it’s USF in the St Pete Bowl vs Memphis or Southern Miss, as much as I would LOVE to SMASH Southern Miss in the MOUTH again, they just might beat us this year; Memphis, on the other hand, has struggled against the same types of teams as we have, so Memphis would probably be a better game to watch. (As long as we win.) I think USF-So Miss is a blowout possibility one way or the other (chants of “quality not quantity” as we march off the field victorious), while USF-Memphis seems like the better/more equal matchup. Now that SPB is likely, I’m looking forward to the events that go along with the bowl game, like a fans-players dinner, a pep rally, probably a parade, and some great parties on the beach, and other events. GO BULLS


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