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A quick explanation on Steve Eminger trade

Posted Mar 4, 2009 by Erik Erlendsson

Updated Mar 4, 2009 at 09:18 PM

I know a lot of you guys are still scratching your head over the trade of Steve Eminger, but there is a rational explantion involved in the reasoning.

Eminger this season is making $1.2 million and will be a restricted free agent with arbitration rights this summer. Because of the minutes Eminger has been forced to play for Tampa Bay this season - upwards of 30 minutes a night many occasions - due to injuries, you can bet that were Eminger to take the team to arbitration his salary would at least double. And if you slot Eminger in to where he truly should be, he’s probably a No. 5 at best. So, do you consider $2.5 million in this salary cap world a good number for a No. 5 defenseman?

The Lightning, obviously, did not think so and were they to keep Eminger around and try to work out a a new contract, they likely would not have come to terms. And had the case gone to arbitration, there’s a good chance that if the team even chose to give Eminger a qualifying offer to retain his rights, that the arbitration award would have been so high, the Lightning would have been forced to walk away and therefore allow Eminger to become an unrestricted free agen and lose him for nothing.

Brian Lawton said he was in talks for the past week with Eminger’s agent discussing a new contract for the defenseman but couldn’t come to any kind of a deal to extend Eminger’s contract.

This way, at least the team gets something out of the situation. I’m not sold on Noah Welch, who can’t find the ice in Florida these days but at least right now Welch will get the chance to play down the stretch here.

So if you are counting at home, and I know many of you are, here is what your defense will look like for the final six weeks of the season: Lukas Krajicek, Matt Smaby, Cory Murphy, Josef Melichar, Noah Welch and David Koci. Once Matt Lashoff heals from a cut to the back of his leg, he will be here as well, but that’s probably at least a week to 10 days away.

Reader Comments

Por (Jay) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Erik, is that your rationale or Bolts’ management? Inevitably, the Lightning organzation still have a moral obligation to the Fans to put in a respectable team every night. W/ the trades that Lawton made today, the organization has yet again failed to deliver what they owe the hardworking Fans.  There are more creative ways where RFA’s with arbitration can be handled.  Sell the organization, the team, the commitment.  Players who believe stay for far less dollars than what they would get someplace else.

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Por (Jay) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Don’t look too far.  Brodeur, who argueably after everything is said and done will be the best goalie that ever played the game is not the highest paid Goalie.  There are 6-7 others who make more but he elects to take far less than what the open market will pay him since he believes in the organization, their commitment, and the team.  Lightning management should learn how to build a strong committed and knowledgeable organization where current and future players believe that being a part of the TBL is first a foremost a privilege.  Until that happens, the TBL can expect to be bottom fishermen for a long time to come.

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Por (Randall Buschmann) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

I’m a big fan of getting Lashoff/Karsums for Recchi, two very good young players that should be in our lineup for the next few years. Lashoff especially is a player to get really excited about. However, I don’t like the Eminger deal. He has played some very good hockey for us and I see no reason you wouldn’t keep a young player like him around another season or two at least. Having him in our top six sure would have been nice.

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Por (Erik Erlendsson) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

This the team’s rationale, but I happen to understand it, for now. What you have to ask is where does Eminger slot in on next year? Is he a top four? Or a No. 5-6? If he is a 5 or 6,  is that worth the $3 million he might be set to make next season? If Ranger and Meszaros are the top two right now and Matt Smaby continues to improve his play, he might slot in at No. 5. Mike Lundin is still in this organization and has the potential to be a similar player to Eminger, and much cheaper.

If you are Tampa Bay, then I think they have to believe that the money Eminger can expect to make next season can be spent in other areas.

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Por (Erik Erlendsson) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

>>>> It’s a hard sell, especially to the fan base right at a time in which season ticket sales are being sent out, but I for one am buying pending on what they do this summer.

If they take that money and spend it wisely on defense, and Lashoff proves to be a legit top four, then I give Lawton credit for being proactive in this area.

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Por (Richard Jones) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

I for one am having a difficult time in digesting all these trades and find nothing in return.We move mid-level players around like we have no clue what we are doing-sometimes moving players before they even have the time to take the suitcase into storage. I am used to clubs trading for players/prospects/picks with a clear understanding of what they are doing. I have been a Lightning fan since inception and find this regime lacking knowledge and common sense.

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Por (Steven) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

This is ridiculous. I thought that Lawton and the new management wouldn’t screw the fans over like we were screwed in the past (the richards trade). This is not a contention team and the true fans, the ones that still buy tickets to games we have no chance of winning- deserve better. We deserve the players that we like and that play hard for us to stay. Not only is the defense hard pressed for players, now we’re taking away Eminger. Great move if you like pissing off fans.

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Por (Austin F) on March 04, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Ok, so I’m supposed to believe that we traded a 1st line D man in Matt Carle to Philly for a No. 5 in Eminger and an AHLer in Downie, one of which we had no long term plans in keeping? Whatever you say Erik… Keep drinking that koolaid, I for one am not going near it.

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Por (Victor E. Victor) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Blah, blah, Erik. I am (mildly) surprised to find you to be just another butt licking “journalist” depending on favors from the team. If Eminger was such a lowly D-man why did Lawton trade him for Carle, for whom he gave away an ALLSTAR D Man??? You are just another apologist looking to suck up to OK to protect your job. Pathetic.

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Por (Bill) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Just another example of why in the 16 year history that this team has played, we have made it past the 1st round of the play-offs a whopping 12.5%!

Well it looks like OK and LB are not the great hockey gods they thought they were as they have made some pretty stupid moves since taking over as our beloved owners.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you LB and OK…...the sequel to Art Williams. I think LB should stay with his resort and OK movie making, as they are out of their league here.

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Por (Jay) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Erik, the Eminger trade is only a portion of this lunacy.  If you have a winger making 1.25M scoring 50+ points, that’s a bargain.  Trade him and get a 7.5B in Lashoff and 6.5C in Karsums prospects, and you question the move especially for a proven winner and team player.  Eminger, you might consider a 5 D if you are the Wings or Devils.  At this point, he is the best TBL have. So for all intents and purposes he is a 1-2 D in Bolt world.  But trading him for a 6-8 D is even more questionable.  A Harvard education does not make you a better hockey player.

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Por (Howard Mays) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

“This the team’s rationale, but I happen to understand it,” We all understand it, just that 99% of disagree with it.

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Por (Jay) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

The trade deadline is not where you strengthen the farm system.  That is what the draft is all about.  Year after year after year.  After all these, the farm system is still weak and prospects are very few and far between. The salary dump in Kolzig and Heward yielded a D that has languised in the minors the last 4 years with very suspect knees.  I really want to be optimistic about all these moves, but it is just hard to be when you just cannot see or understand the “rationale” behind all them.

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Por (Jay) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Erik, and finally, I and am sure other Bolts fans do, take umbrage in your comment about Lawton being “proactive”.  He had the whole season and preseason to be that.  Now at the trading deadline he is.  Lawton is far from proactive, reactive maybe.  But if this season is any indication, his reactiveness requires a lot of work as well.  Erik, if this is your way of keeping the pipeline open, I find it pathetic.  But hey we all have to put food on the table and if that is what it boils down to, kudos to you.

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Por (Bill) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

One last thing EE as I sure hope the owners look at what you write. But after this past season I see no reason why I should even consider renewing my tickets I have had since 1992. And these are not cheap seats. I just not think this group has a clue as to what they are doing.

I was there the day they came to town and held the press conference. The sat and told us how they will be moving to Tampa and be at the games walking the hall ways. I have not missed a game yet and I still have not seen either LB or OK in the hallways. The group seems to be all talk.

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Por (Jeff) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Take it easy, come down off the ledge.  On the upside, they probably saved about $750k in raw salaries for the rest of the season, saved future arbitration $ on Eminger, and possibly landed some revenue sharing cash.  Also at least got some assets for all those free agents (and IR guys to Toronto) that could have left in July for nothing in return.  Hope Reccs wins Cup and returns.  He’s a class act and always gives 100%.  Lets get some spoiler wins here, land decent draft picks, and work to playoff team again next year so M26 and V4 will have a reason to stay.  Oh yeah, give Toccs the full title.

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Por (Dustin) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Don’t forget Lundin SHOULD be back next year as well.

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Por (Sheldon Lubie) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Lawton must go,he is a flaming idiot.I really beleive they are trying to destroy this franchise so they can move it.Nothing they do makes sense!

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Por (Goalman) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Can you say salary dump.I’m still trying to figure out why Toronto takes Olie,Heward and Rogers?Thanks Leafs,I didn’t know you cared.How does Dan Boyle for Noah Welch sound?That’s what the trade ended up being.I still think we should trade Brian Lawton for a painted goalie mask(souvenier for McKenna)and 3 Koho sticks.The guy is laughable.

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Por (Katya) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Even though I thought Eminger was great to have I understand the move now after your blog.  Still see no light at the end of this tunnel….we are headed nowhere for a couple of seasons and it must be difficult for Vinny to play and be the leader on a team like that.  Hey, at least he gets paid well for it.

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Por (Joe) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

This mess isn’t Lawton’s making. Every poster that is (rightfully) upset with management hasn’t mentioned Feaster’s destruction of a Cup winning team. His drafts produced essentially nothing, he let UFA’s walk rather than trading them and tied up all his $$ in three forwards. I don’t like where they are and yeah the initial approach was coming on like a bunch of cowboys. Right now they need to build around the big four forwards, hope Smith returns to form and improve the wretched D. Emminger at $2.5MM makes no sense for this team.

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Por (Steve B Henderson) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Don’t blame Feaster for the mess we are now in. He was made to cut payroll big time by previous ownership. If he had the payroll that prima donna Lawton had, then we would be in far better shape.
Hey Lennie…..We still gonna win the South east division this year? Take a flying leap dude… you are so destructive to this organization!
PS
Bring back Lundin!

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Por (Melanie Ware) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

It’s always about money…get something for nothing.  You trade a good D man for a nothing D man and a draft pick…I am terribly disappointed and sickened by the Eminger trade!  This is crap.  He played well here and could have been a top D man but NOOOOOOO…you go and trade him.  The Defense is centered around Ranger and Meszaros, what happens if they are NOT 100%??  Then what??  You just threw a perfectly good player to someone else.  I am sure he’s worth the salary hike but it seems that management doesn’t think so.  It sure is a sad day for Tampa fans who like Eminger!!  So we get another draft pick…that doesn’t mean he will be good or better than Eminger.  I am still confused!

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Por (Jay) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

I would like to know how many of the bloggers here are season ticket holders.  It doesn’t matter what section you are in.  It probably has come to a point where Us, ticket holders, should unite together and take it directly to the owners.  I have read from a several of you that said you were not going to renew.  I am sure the if come together as one voice, it shold resonate loudly within the Bolts organization.  If I get enough participants, I can make this happen.  Inevitably, it is still the fans that fork out their hard earned dollars that pay TBL personnel.  I’ve had success with this 3 years back when a few of us at then X/O demanded an audience with Campbell.  We did and things changed.

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Por (Bill Berg) on March 05, 2009 (Suggest removal)

Listened to XM Radio this AM, NHL HOME ICE and Dennis Potvin did not think the Panthers upgraded much with Eminger trade. Dennis stated Eminger is only a 5 or 6th D-Man, stated he was one of BOLTS top men but on other teams he is not better than 5 or 6th man. BOLTS needed to CUT payroll and get younger. It will be a though last few games but let the fans see how much you can really produce with what you now have and be ready for a NEW 2009-2010. GO BOLTS GIVE IT YOUR ALL!!

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